# Restarting Community Discussions

It has been a while since we had our last community
discussion. As the school year started and we got
busy with other things, the weekly discussions fell by
the wayside. Since these discussion were doing a lot
to build a sense of community, I hope they can resume.
To that end, I suggest that we have a discussion tomorrow,
7 November, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6111 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 2718281828#
That connects you to the conference.

I look forward to hearing from you soon!

P.S. Since tomorrow is rather sudden notice, don't
worry too hard if you can't make it --- I plan to hold
the next discussion exactly a week later (13 November).
Hopefully, these discussions will become regular
feature and we will figure a way to work the schedule
so that everybody who is interested in participating
can make it at least some of the time.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

The next community discussion will be on Wednesday
14 November, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6111 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 2718281828#
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

The community discussion tonight was a success with Joe, Ray,
Aaron and Chi participating at different times -- it had the
character of a four part fugue with different voices entering
and leaving. We talked about a variety of topics such as
interesting people in participating at various levels, upcoming
board elections, community guidelines, content committee,
communications, and time management.

Out of this discussion came the following action items
which we plan to work on in the upcoming week:

* Aaron will talk with an attorney to sort out the legal
issues related to choosing a new board.

* Joe is making progress on the back-end of the multi-user
scholium system. This brings us a step closer to the
long-hoped-for rewrite of Noosphere.

* Chi and Ray are finishing the draft of the community guidelines.

Hopefully, the first and third items will be done relatively
soon so that, at the next community discussion a week from today,
we can plan the annual meeting. The scenario that emerged from
our discussion was something as follows:

* Early next week, the community guidelines are released
for public discussion.

* A membership drive and mailing will prepare the way for the
annual meting by making sure that interested people have a
chance to become members and vote at the meeting.

* There will be an annual membership meeting sometime after
Thanksgiving but sufficiently before Christmas. The following
three items will happen by vote of the membership at
that meeting:

** Ratifying community guidelines.

** Reconstituting the board of directors.

** Instituting the content committee.

* For the rest of December, things would be quiet on the
organizational front, giving people a chance to familiarize
themselves with the guidelines and members of the board and
the content committee to get used to their new roles.

* When the holidays end and the new year begins, we get to
action. The guidelines will go into full effect and be enforced.
The board and the content committee will meet regularly and
get down to business. The first item on their agendas will
be to decide how they operate. The second item will be to plan
for the new year and get busy so that we can make up for lost
time and advance PlanetMath in many ways, such as the following:

** Better content and more of it.

** A real budget which will allow us to do things like

** Visibility and credibility within the larger world of
mathematics and mathematicians.

** Improvements to the software platform.

** Better communications to build community.

** New types of content.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

Another item for the last list:

** An effective3, transparent organizational structure.

(Feel free to add more --- the discussion did not end
when we hung up the phones!!!)

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

Sorry I couldn't make it. I have a really bad cold and was likely asleep. Sounds like a good meeting.

We had talked some last week about putting together a separate group who were interested in short-term improvements to the platform, be it look and feel or operation. Was that discussed further? (I see a bullet on that point, but that's all). The new community encyclopedia that was mentioned on this site this week only underscores my belief that it is important to modernize the way the site looks, at least.

Next week may not be such a good time for a meeting - Thursday is Thanksgiving, and people may be traveling or busy with family on Wednesday (as I will be).

Roger

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

> separate group who were interested in short-term
> improvements to the platform, be it look and feel or
> operation. Was that discussed further? (I see a bullet on
> that point, but that's all). The new community encyclopedia
> that was mentioned on this site this week only underscores
> my belief that it is important to modernize the way the site
> looks, at least.

We didn't discuss this item very much last night. While we
agreed in a general way that something like this should be done,
we didn't go into any specifics.

My sentiment is that, while I agree with what you say, we should
table acting on this initiative until we finish arranging the
annual meeting. The reason for this is not that I disagree with
you about the importance of improving the platform or trying to
ignore the fact that every day, other websites which overlap
with what we are doing appear. Rather, it is an issue of
precedence and priority, of making sure that our operations are
functional before attending to their look and feel. We have
been drafting the community guidelines and discussing the
content committee for some time now, so we should finalize at least
some of it before moving on to other projects lest it become yet
another item on the stack of half-baked, half-finished initiatives.
Also, PlanetMath.org, LLC looks more like a disorganization than an
organization now. The current board hasn't had a meeting for more
than a year, not even Aaron is able to contact board members for
input, and the two founders on the board not only no longer care
maintain their entries, they haven't even bothered to log in to the
site for over a year. This has driven any efforts at fundraising to
a screeching halt and made outreach difficult, which is why those
of us working on the administrative end of things are unanimously
adamant in asking that a new active board be formed ASAP. As I
see it, once we form the content committee and reform the board, we
will be in a much better position to address the short-term
improvements to the platform.

> Next week may not be such a good time for a meeting -
> Thursday is Thanksgiving, and people may be traveling or
> busy with family on Wednesday (as I will be).

In that case, maybe we should plan the next discussion for the week
after Thanksgiving (25 Nov - 1 Dec). The only issue we really need
to decide as a group before Thanksgiving is the date of the annual
meeting. Given the tightness oof the constraints --- on the one
hand, we should give at least two weeks advance notice, need to plan
the meeting and the voting, Aaron needs to consult with the attorney
but, on the the other hand, Chi will be gone for a week and there
are holidays a monthe after Thanksgiving --- it looks like the
annual meeting will have to take place somewhere during the first
week of December (2-8 December) or early the following week.
Hopefully, we can pin a date down in the next few days and have
one more community discussion before the meeting in order to
finalize plans for the annual meeting and elections.

### making Community Discussions maximally non-fascitic

This was basically a matter of opinion, but I think it was the most
important thing I could contribute to the conversation.

HISTORY OF COMMUNICATION ON PLANETMATH

(Which you can skip if this is already familiar to you and proceed to
the next section.)

I do not think things have been going all that badly, indeed, over the
years there have been many good efforts -- and even some valiant ones
-- towards making the PlanetMath community "work" as a community.

However, sometimes these efforts have added confusion even while
adding value. For example, our work on the AsteroidMeta wiki was fun
and productive for an in-group of active users, and both confusing and
annoying for many others. The same can be said for IRC.

Debates over which medium to use and how to use them got very heated
at times -- the main productive point that came away from these
debates is that discussions should be done "in public" as much as
possible -- and that "public" in this case meant "in the forums".

These debates then went into a second post-critical phase, since the
forums, as a medium, leave a fair amount to be desired from a
technical standpoint. While this point is not itself debatable, the
question of how to represent communications that were going on "in
private" (even if the "private" conversation was taking place on an
open platform, like the wiki) here in the forums was never made clear
-- and the post-critical phase of these debates centered on the "power
imbalance" between those "in the know" and everybody else.

As far as I can tell, nothing of value came out of these discussions:
everyone just left with hurt feelings and went home to brood.

So how should we comport ourselves,

MOVING FORWARD?

There are a few things that I think would make participation in
PlanetMath better for everyone.

1. Less "either/or" thinking.

While there are limited resources in total, I think it is fine (and
even good!) for everyone to work on what is interesting or motivating
to them. For example, when Ray talks about priorities related to
organizational restructuring, that is fine (and good!) -- for him, and
anyone else interested in these things. If someone else is more (or
even exclusively) interested in writing math entries or working on
computer code, I think that they should do that instead. I think we
should have (to paraphrase the King of Rock and Roll), "a little less
exhortation, a little more action." In other words, find a way to
build it and they will come. I'm not saying that's easy, but some
steps can be taken to make it easier. (I don't mean to say that
exhortation or rhetoric should have no role here, rather, that it
should be situated in a suitable context -- where it can convince
people who are already "reasonably like-minded" -- which brings me to
my next topic.)

2. Revitalizing the forums.

Fourteen forums (the current number) is probably not enough. With
almost zero effort, additional forums can be added. I think that any
time an identifiable project is created, an additional forum should be
added to as a "home" for those interested in working on it. With a
little more effort, the forums could be organized in a hierarchy or
tree that would make it easier for casual users to find the
appropriate forum to post in. With a tad more effort still, the forum
software could be made considerably more useful, e.g. if the
"&msgexpand=-1" hack for expanding all messages in a thread was
popularized through the introduction of an "expand all" button to
message viewing pages, or if the long awaited full bi-directional
bridge with email was introduced. These are minor software changes
requiring little or no innovation. Many other proposals with varying
degrees of complexity, intensity, and perceived benefit have been
discussed. I think we collectively need to figure out how to get the
ball rolling here. The first step towards revitalizing the forums is
probably to use them, so I'm glad to see these follow-ups to the
phone-based conversations.

3. Becoming member-centric in our organizational thinking.

Discussion of the role of the board or other "administrative"
(staff-like) roles has generally been frustrating to people. I think
we should move a lot of the emphasis to members. E.g. if the board
has an "absentee status", that doesn't spell doomsday -- as long as
there are members running the show. Which is, indeed, basically what
has been going on over the past 6 to 12 months. Given the
commons-based/peer-produced nature of PlanetMath, I don't think that
the board or other administrative features of the organization should
be that big of a deal. They should arise naturally out of the
activities of members. E.g. why not have board defined to be the set
of most active members at any given point in time? Instead of just
having "community meetings", let's make them (simultaneously)
"membership meetings" and set things up so that the members present
have the power to make functional decisions.

CLOSING REMARKS

I think we should strive to be "maximally non-fascistic" in our
community interactions. The history section above illustrates what
devastating effects an "You're wrong, I'm right" style of interaction
can have on the community -- and how even the best intentioned efforts
can backfire if they are not in tune with the spirit of the community.
(We've seen that numerous times!)

The three points in the section about "moving forward" spell out my
recommendations on how we can move towards both functional success --
getting things done -- and towards a style of interaction that is at
best highly fruitful for those involved, and at least not hideously
frustrating.

Thank you for reading & have a nice day. :)

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

The next community discussion will be on Wednesday,
28 November, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

In particular, please have a look at the newly published
draft for community guidelines:

http://planetmath.org/?op=getobj&from=collab&id=125

In addition to the guidelines, we will likely be talking
about reconstituting the board, short-term platform
improvements, and as well as about any other
topics which participants raise.

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6111 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 2718281828#
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions (reminder)

The next community discussion will be on Wednesday,
28 November, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6111 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 2718281828#
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions (reminder)

The next community discussion will be tonight, Wednesday,
28 November, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6111 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 2718281828#
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions (reminder)

They have changed their system. Try this number and code:

Phone: 1 (605) 475-4333
access code: 173949

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions (reminder)

After some initial confusion due to a change of telephone
number, the conference last Wednesday got started and went well.
Chi, Aaron, Roger, Joe, and Ray discussed various topics,
including the community guidelines, the board, and the role of
the board.

The next discussion will be next Wednesday, 5 December.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions (reminder)

The next community discussion will be on Wednesday,
5 December, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

Given the lively exchange in the forum today, I expect
that there will be plenty to talk about!

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions (reminder)

The next community discussion will be on Monday,
17 December, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

### First Community Discussion for 2008

Now that it is a new year and the vacation is long over, it
is timne to resume our community discussions. To remind you all,
the main themes from our last few discussions were as follows:

* The Community Guidelines have been finalized and are now
a site document.

* The Content Committee should start meeting and doing things
like maintaining the request list.

* A new Board of Directors needs to be elected.

* A technical group is forming to take care of maintaining and
improving the underyling software.

* We should carry out Marnita's suggestions to make connections,
publicize our efforts, and raise funds.

The first community discussion for this year will be on Thursday,
31 January at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: First Community Discussion for 2008 (reminder)

The first community discussion for this year will be on Thursday,
31 January at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

### Minutes: Community Discussion 01/31/2008

Topic summary:
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I. Call for a technical group meeting.

II. Request for administrative assistance for launching
PlanetMath membership and subsequent board elections.
A. Call for help with e-mail lists and setup.
C. Some technical help required to avoid becoming a spam site.

III. Initial discussion about the "character of the board."

IV. Next meeting: Thursday, 02/07/2008, time and phone numbers
to be determined. To be discussed:
A. Any progress on finding help for task II and decide
on whether money should be spent to hire help.
B. Draw conclussions for topic III. in so far as they pertain
to designing and implementing elections for the initial
board of directors.

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Those participating in the meeting where:

Aaron, Jeo, Ray, Roger, and James.

Comments from people unable to participate are welcome.

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I. Tech. group meeting.

A. If you have already committed to this group or would like to, please expect to be in contact with Joe in the next 2 weeks to arrange for a tech group meeting.

B. The meeting aims to coordinate the various projects being worked on and to be worked on.

C. The upcoming membership/elections may benefit from some tech. group tools/work which are implemented but not presently "turned on."
Aaron should be included in that discussion.

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II. Administrative help for membership and elections.

A. Aaron committed to posting a notice of what type of help is required. Please look for his post for details.

B. An outline of the next 5-6 weeks was drawn up in the hopes of starting a membership list and subsequent elections for the first board. Committing to this time frame will require an answer to A.
The outline (in draft) was:

1. 1-2 week period to setup the first e-mail to start off the membership drive.
2. 1-2 week period following that to signup members. Members will
be immediately notified of their rights to vote for the board and on the required procedures to become a candidate for the board. Ideally, specific elections dates will be sent at this stage as well.
3. 1-2 week period for candidates to be introduced and make a pitch for their election. (See item III.)
4. 1-week period to elect candidates to the first board.

C. Is it possible that a mass e-mail to all PM users will result in PM being seen by internet service providers as a spam engine? If so, can this be avoided through technical means. Aaron has ideas but may require assistance to implement them. Refer to A. for details.

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III. The character of the board.

A. This is part of an ongoing discussion about how to avoid unintended outcomes for the board. The focus of the discussion was on what to do in the election process to encourage the first board to meet the expectations. Here is a summary so far:

1. Serious candidates only.
2. Willingness/recognition that this first board will have many tasks related to changing bi-laws and other possibly non-glamorous work.
3. Willingness to immediately change certain bilaws that pertain to the size of the board and requirements of board members -- that is, the first board turns around and votes to allow the board to be larger than 3 people and with certain desired rules. (Details on this depend on current bilaws and further discussion next week.)
4. Candidates should answer the following:
A. What is your history with PlanetMath?
B. What is your history with math?
C. What is your history with collaborative websites?
D. What would you do if on the board?
5. Candidates are expected to become familiar with the many discussions on the future goals of PM and willing to address questions from the membership.

If you wish to participate in this discussion consider the next meeting. However, please limit the ideas to ones that need to be considered in terms of the design of elections and near term issues.
The goal is to get elections off the ground in short order.

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### First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 2008

The second community discussion for this year will be on Thursday,
7 February at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

Also, next Wednsday, 13 February, will be the first tech meeting.
The focus of this will be on the software platform on related
technical issues and anyone with an interest in that aspect of
PM is invited to attend. This will also be at the same 7 p.m.
Pacific time via the same conference number.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Regarding the Tech group:

We can and should start the discussion NOW by email.

The main address for these issues is

See:

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Does someone wish to summarize that meeting for those unable to attend?
Thanks.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Summary: $\emptyset$

I waited on the phone for a half-hour and nobody showed up.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

I totally missed this one... for some reason, I thought it was next Thursday (perhaps thinking it would be the day after the Tech Group meeting). But, would it be possible to move it to another day of the week (like Monday)? Thursdays are now bad days for me.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Monday would be fine with me. Maybe other people who are
seriously interested in participating could also reply as
to what days are good for them so we could schedule the
next discussion on a better date? As long as there is going
to be the tech discussion next week, it might me too much to
meet twice then, so maybe we could plan a date for the week
after that (17-23 February).

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Sorry I missed the meeting. I forgot about it again (10PM is late for me to remember things).

I'll be out of town the week of the 17th. It's possible I can call in anyway depending on what I'm doing (I'll be on the West Coast on vacay). Some time after the 27th would work better for me, but if meeting sooner would get things moving sooner, by all means go ahead.

Roger

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

There's a good chance I may take a vacation day on President's Day. So a better Monday would be the following one as well.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Monday's don't work for me, but I don't want to hold up the show. I think the issues being resolved right now need to move along fast.

Is there something we can do to make sure Ray isn't left on the phone alone? I remembered the meeting but I knew I couldn't participate. However, I didn't know how to communicate that I couldn't attend. Is it worth announcing on the forum post who isn't attending and who is? Seems awkward to do the former, but the latter seems ok.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

I suggest that, in re-designing the PlanetMath homepage, the Tech Group can add a calendar of events somewhere on it. This will hopefully take care of those of us who are forgetful.

For those who want to but can not attend, a short email to Ray should work.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

> I think the issues being resolved right now need to move along fast.

I agree completely. Things have been going way to slowly this
year and, unless the pace picks up, I am have a sinking feeling that
we will see past progress disappear, In particular, I am concerned

* Content committee: We already have a list of interested people and
an idea of what to do so we need to start work before everybody
loses interest! As Chi says, we should think baby steps. It would
be great to start meeting and at least do some little projects like
taking care of the request list.

* Fundraising: We put a lot of effort towards working with Marnita
to identify opportunities for fundraising and outreach, but really
haven't done much to implement the plans that resulted. In
particular, I have in mind the suggestions of looking for corporate
ago but not one company has yet been contacted. Given that this
does not require that much effort and no money up front, it sounds
like something to do ASAP.

As for the coding, Joe organized the meeting tomorrow, so
hopefully that will get the ball rolling. Last year, we expected
that the stuff mentioned above would already be done by now,
so let's not keep putting it off to next year!

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Personally I feel what deserves priority is a) setting up internal search engines which enable members to pick up the thread
of any topic they may be interested in and wish to contribute to.Right now the posts seem to be a conglomeration of unrelated and unsortable items.
b) any other technical improvement.

For this I am sure setting up of one or more committees may not
be necessary.Long standing members can give technical help.
In case this annot be done without the setting up of committees then you should go ahead.
A.K.Devaraj

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough in my last post, but
I did mention technical improvements. Rather, since this is
an area in which progress is currently being made --- we are going
to discuss how to go about doing this tomorrow --- I was not
worried about it as opposed to other areas (content improvement
and fundraising) where progress has been stalled for a few
months and things which were supposed to have happened long
ago according to our plans have not yet been started. As for
that this is an issue which will be dealt with in due course and
certainly something to discuss tomorrow. While we might not be
able to make this improvement immediately because other, more
basic things need to be done to get to the point of being able
to make the forum searchable, I definitely agree that improving
the forum interface, in particular, searchable forum archives,
are an important goal for our technical improvemnt efforts.
You might also want to have a look at the list of feature requests

http://planetx.cc.vt.edu/AsteroidMeta/Feature_Requests

and perhaps add any further suggestions or ideas for improvements
to the list.

As for committees, that is a means, not an end. The point of this
is not some exercise in bureaucracy or nomics; rather the work
that needs to be done to improve the software or the content is
more than one person alone can do both because of the sheer
amount to be done (especially if that person is a volunteer working
in spare time) and because various skills and knowledge which are
required, not all of which a single person is likely to have, so several people are going to have to work together and coordinate
their efforts. So, in that sense of the term it is necessary to set
up one or more committees, i.e. for groups of people to come together
to coordinate their efforts and work on things like improving
software. If the term "committee" is objectionable, then feel free
to substitute "group", "team", "gang", "task force", "commission",
"panel", "organization", "suborganization", "bureau", "gaggle",
"bevy", "clique", "clutch", or whatever synonym is better suited

Exactly because all we have now is a handful of volunteers doing
what they can in their spare time whereas there is a lot that
could be done to improve the site, requiring much more work than
such a group could do, I think that fundraising is important.
Were we able to hire a system administrator or staff programmer,
that would do a lot towards making the system work smoother, fixing
bugs, implementing new features, and the like.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Just wanted to remind everyone that the tech group meeting is
coming up soon --- tonight at 7 p.m. Pacific time.
The focus of this will be on the software platform on related
technical issues and anyone with an interest in that aspect of
PM is invited to attend. This will also be at the same 7 p.m.
Pacific time via the same conference number.

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it on account of technical
problems with phone service, but I hope it will go well.

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

I will not be able to make it either, unfortunately.

Roger

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Things won't "just happen" without active participation.
(On that note, I waited 15 minutes on the conference
line, no one showed up. We'll have to switch to email
coordination completely...)

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

I just arrived. Work/dinner held me up. Are we still having a conference now?

### Re: First Tech Group and Second Community Discussion for 200...

Everyone else who had previously expressed interest
couldn't make it, and you were too late. So we'll either
have to reschedule the phone call, or just switch
to coordinating by email (this is my preference,
at least until there is more coordination).

### Community Discussion

Since we haven't had a community discussion for a while
now, we will try again this Thursday. Between
the Content Committee and the Summer of Code, there
is certainly enough to talk about, let alone other
topics pertinent to PM.

The discussion for will be on Thursday, 3 April at
7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain time, 9 p.m.
Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Community Discussion

Don't forget to talk about the following page nonfuctionaling:
http://bugs.planetmath.org/
--
Victor Porton - http://www.mathematics21.org
* Algebraic General Topology and Math Synthesis
* Category Theory - new concepts

### Re: Community Discussion

Since we haven't had a community discussion for a while
now, we will try again this Thursday. Between
the Content Committee and the Summer of Code, there
is certainly enough to talk about, let alone other
topics pertinent to PM.

The discussion for will be on Thursday, 3 April at
7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain time, 9 p.m.
Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows: (note new numbers)
Dial 1 (605) 475-4333 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 173949
That connects you to the conference.

### Re: Community Discussion

The pace around PlanetMath is certainly picking up --- the Content
Committee has formed and is already in full swing and elections for
the Board of Directors are around the corner. With all this activity
going on, there is much for us to talk about, such as the following:

- Working on indexing the collection via topic entries and other
ways to improve our content.

- Planning for the upcoming elections and beyond.

- Summer of Code

To discuss these and other topics, there will be a
community discussion on Thursday, 24 April at
7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain time, 9 p.m.
Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial 1-309-946-5100 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 388425
That connects you to the conference.

Also, we now have a new feature --- the conference will
be recorded and an MP3 file will be available. This way,
people who were not able to participate can listen to
what was said, participants can refresh their memories,

### Re: Community Discussion

After some time communicating primarily by writing, the good old community discussion is making a comeback! Judging by the volume of discussion about rating systems, classification, and fundraising, there is plenty to discuss, so please join us if your schedule allows.

The discussion will take place on Saturday, 5 July 2008 at 11 a.m.
Central time (12 p.m. Eastern time, 10 a.m. Mountain time. 9 a.m.
Pacific time).

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6350 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 388425
That connects you to the conference.

Also, we now have a new feature --- the conference will
be recorded and an MP3 file will be available. This way,
people who were not able to participate can listen to
what was said, participants can refresh their memories,
and there remains a permanent record of the discussion.

### Re: Community Discussion (reminder)

After some time communicating primarily by writing, the good old community discussion is making a comeback! Judging by the volume of discussion about rating systems, classification, and fundraising, there is plenty to discuss, so please join us if your schedule allows.

The discussion will take place on Saturday, 5 July 2008 at 11 a.m.
Central time (12 p.m. Eastern time, 10 a.m. Mountain time. 9 a.m.
Pacific time).

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6350 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 388425
That connects you to the conference.

Also, we now have a new feature --- the conference will
be recorded and an MP3 file will be available. This way,
people who were not able to participate can listen to
what was said, participants can refresh their memories,
and there remains a permanent record of the discussion.

### Re: Restarting Community Discussions

It has been a while since we had our last community
discussion. As the school year started and we got
busy with other things, the weekly discussions fell by
the wayside. In order to resume this tradition, we
had a small discussion last Wednesday, during which we
expressed the hope that we could move forward with
some of our earlier plans w.r.t. community guidelines and
content committee and having a membership meeting this year.

The next community discussion will be on Wedensday
14 November, at 7 p.m. Pacific time (8 p.m. Mountain
time, 9 p.m. Central time, 10 p.m. Eastern time, etc.)

The way the conference call works is as follows:
Dial (605) 475-6111 to access the bridge.
When asked for the conference number, dial 2718281828#
That connects you to the conference.

We hope that you will be able to join in this discussion.